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On 7/23/21, Jonah Thomas via gpva-ic <gpva-ic at vagreenparty.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 6:32 PM tamaryager--- via gpva-ic <
> gpva-ic at vagreenparty.org> wrote:
>
>> John etal,
>> Some of you may not know this.  I have been on the Accreditation and
>> Dispute Resolution Committee for many years.   Both of those committees
>> and a number of individuals reached out to GA over and over and over and
>> over and over to try to dialogue.  They were totally unresponsive.  They
>> did not reply to emails from either committee or other individuals.
>> There were many more attempts to reach out than we ever should have
>> given.
>>
>
> I wasn't aware of that until you said so.
>
> I knew that they considered the DRC a "kangaroo court" intended to try them
> in secret with a foregone conclusion, so they wanted an official chance to
> publicly tell their side of it.
>
> Based on GPUS rules the only way we can (re)organize in GA is to
>> disaffiliate them.
>
>
> It took a long time. (Rhode Island and Alaska didn't take so long.) This
> does not look like a good way to do it, to me. But in the short run we're
> stuck with it.
>
> I want to describe another possible way, that we might someday adopt.
>
> We have kind of a complicated way to decide how many delegates a state
> party gets to the NC. The criteria mostly don't have a lot to do with the
> state parties. For example, in a state where people tell the state
> government what party they belong to, most of the people who say they are
> Green have very little to do with their state party. in 2012 8627 Virginia
> voters chose Stein,  and in 2016 20,638 did. Stein was on the ballot in VA
> because of GPVA, but probably we didn't have much to do with the particular
> people who voted Green.They mostly didn't hear about us, and they voted
> Green anyway. I say, include some criteria that directly relate to state
> parties. For example, membership. Oversimplifying, if a state party has
> 14,000 members, then it gets 14,000 votes in the NC. If it has 800 members,
> give it 800 NC votes.
>
> Allow more than one Green Party from each state to be represented in GPUS,
> and give them votes proportional to their membership.
>
> So we don't have to throw out a state party that doesn't represent it's
> members. All the members who want something better can join another state
> party, and report it to GPUS, and the bad state party's influence on GPUS
> will shrink down to its actual influence in its state.
>
> GPVA would not do very well if we had that system today. But if we thought
> it was going to happen we would put a whole lot more emphasis on membership
> drives etc. Maybe we ought to be doing that anyway, but it's easier for it
> to get to the top of the to-do list when it's perfectly clear it's expected
> of us....
>
> All the statewide Green Parties in a state would need to cooperate about
> national primaries -- or would they? The main thing is that they don't run
> two different candidates in the main election. If Virginia had AV or IRV
> elections they could even do that.
>
> There are
>> many people (non-transs/glbt) that have left the party because of
>> problems with GA's leadership which is very dictatorial.  one or two
>> people are running the party there.  I know several women of color who
>> have left and won't go back until the leadership changes.
>
>
> I would like it if we could truly say "The Green Party interprets
> dictatorial leadership as damage, and routes around it."
>
>
>> All of the leadership's time has been spent on this issue.
>>
>
> This is a waste. The party leadership has spent two years?! doing damage
> control, because we lack any adequate way to deal with the problem.
>
>
>> I am sorry you are leaving Ryan.
>
>
> Yes, me too.
>
>
>> I had hoped that after this vote is
>> over that we can work with others in GA to re-boot.
>>
>
> I"m reasonably sure that will happen. There's sure to be some other faction
> that didn't get along with them, or a new one that arises, and they can get
> their chance to run things their own way and enforce their own ideology
> over everybody who tries to join the party in Georgia. Maybe we'll decide
> we need to throw them out too, or maybe not.
>
> --
> Jonah Thomas
>
> We are limited, but the limits aren't where we think they are. We find them
> only by exceeding them.
>