[gpva-ic] Re: [gpva-business] NOVA Stuff

[jimpolk at cavtel.net]

Hello IC,
Comments to the IC ARE NOT supposed to be posted to the business list.
Members of the IC that intentionally post their IC comments to the
business list need to stop.  We have the IC to try to limit the discussion
to get things done. If IC members cannot stick to this, then their local
will be asked to get a new IC member.
Jim Polk, Co-Chair
Green Party of Virginia

> David,
>
> You are absolutely right. It is up to those claiming a problem to show
> that
> there were settled rules of some sort. They have the burden of proof.
>
> My feeling is that if they can show rules that were broken, they are
> entitled to NOVA's affiliation. If they can't, they lose the affiliation.
> It
> may not even be necessary to vote in the IC on it. But then, the people
> involved may negotiate an outcome that will moot our discussion.
>
> Charles Murn
> CVG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David R. Gaines" <davidgainesusa at yahoo.com>
> To: <gpva-ic at vagreenparty.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [gpva-ic] Re: [gpva-business] NOVA Stuff
>
>
>> Charles, I think you're giving too much credit to the NoVa local, which,
> according to my
>> observations over the last couple of years, has been run VERY
>> informally.
> I doubt that they can
>> prove anything along these lines, but perhaps (I hope) Jim Lowenstern
>> can
> provide something to
>> indicate otherwise.
>>
>> DG
>> Loudoun Greens
>>
>>
>> --- charles murn <cmurn at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > I think it is premature to hold an IC meeting on this question. As per
> my
>> > email to the business list, there still needs to be a determination
> whether
>> > the surprise participants at the NOVA meeting followed other existing
> rules,
>> > even unwritten rules (the constitution of the British commonwealth, I
> might
>> > point out, is not written!). Until that inquiry determines whether
>> other
>> > rules that bylaws were followed, it is premature to declare the
> decisions
>> > made to have been legitimate and, therefore, to decide there is
>> grounds
> for
>> > suspending affiliation.
>> >
>> > Charles Murn
>> > CVG
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Scott Burger" <burp at mindspring.com>
>> > To: <gpva-ic at vagreenparty.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [gpva-ic] Re: [gpva-business] NOVA Stuff
>> >
>> >
>> > > I agree.
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Scott
>> > > www.richmondgreens.org
>> > >
>> > > On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 10:11 PM, Eric Sheffield wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hello Jim,
>> > > >
>> > > > I think you are quite right to not take a position on this matter.
>> > > > Your
>> > > > job as chair is to act as a facilitator in resolving the conflict.
>> > > >
>> > > > I would like to formally propose to the IC that:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Affiliation with the GPVA be temporarily withdrawn from the NOVA
> local.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > >
>> > > > Eric Sheffield
>> > > > Rockbridge Greens
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > jimpolk at cavtel.net wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Hello Gang, especially David Gaines,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> This NOVA stuff is really sucking up a lot of our time and energy
> and
>> > > >> I
>> > > >> supposed it will continue to do so for the next few days.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I spoke to Jim Lowenstern, who I have the greatest respect for.
>> > > >> However,
>> > > >> Jim informed me that NOVA Greens had NO bylaws.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> This leaves anyone who shows up to a meeting able to do pretty
>> much
>> > > >> whatever they want to. This was an official meeting of the NOVA
>> > > >> Greens. At
>> > > >> that official meeting, a new chair and steering committee were
>> > > >> elected.  I
>> > > >> was not there. Carey is accused by some reliable people to have
>> > > >> approached
>> > > >> the whole process violently. Even so, that does not negate the
>> > > >> validity of
>> > > >> what happened.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have personally received many emails from people who are
> registered
>> > > >> with
>> > > >> NOVA wanting to know what to do. I have asked them to be patient
> for
>> > > >> a few
>> > > >> days.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have heard a lot of chatter on this topic over the past few
>> days
> on
>> > > >> the
>> > > >> phone and on the listserv. I have been sitting on the fence
>> > > >> intentionally
>> > > >> so let the debate run its course. I guess as Co-Chair I am
>> supposed
>> > > >> to be
>> > > >> a mediator for this, while SOME expect and are asking me to make
>> a
>
>> > > >> decision and take a stand and step in and do something.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I will do this in the next day or two.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> But, so far the easiest solution I see is to disaffiliate the
>> NOVA
>> > > >> Greens.
>> > > >> Then at the next business meeting,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> [which I am proposing be the first weekend in February (Kirit
>> says
> he
>> > > >> needs a few extra days to get ready) and this still lets us have
> the
>> > > >> meeting during the legislative session]
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Jim Lowenstern or someone else from the old NOVA can ask for
>> > > >> affilitation,
>> > > >> and get it or not. Boom done.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Carey Campbell or someone else can also ask for affiliation of a
> Green
>> > > >> Local, and get it or not. Boom done.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Some feel, as I do, that the local level folks should solve this.
> But
>> > > >> I am
>> > > >> not really sure that another local is the right group to sort out
> the
>> > > >> problems of another local. I feel it is the state organizations
>> to
>> > > >> clear
>> > > >> things like this up.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I also feel that time is important, as we have so many important
>> > > >> issues
>> > > >> coming up, i.e. presidential stuff, house of representatives,
> running
>> > > >> statewide candidates for governor, lt. governor and attorney
> general
>> > > >> in
>> > > >> 2005...
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I will be convening the IC to examine this manner of the NOVA
> Greens
>> > > >> early
>> > > >> next week.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Jim Polk, Co-Chair GPVA
>> > > >>
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